Same Wedding, Two Different Perspectives Two Years Apart

by admin on February 1, 2012

One of blog readers contacted me with a very astute observation he had made while reading the Ehell archives.    If you are a fan of the blog, did you know there was an archive of 7,000 stories from previous years?   Hours and hours of entertaining reading!

Anyway, after finding said stories, I have to agree that this is a case where a single wedding has yielded two very different stories, two years apart, from two completely different perspectives.   The first story was submitted in 2003 by a guest:

It’s kind of long, but this story may even qualify as Faux Pas Of the Year, instead of just “Weddings From Hell”. Although dubbing it “From Hell” would certainly be appropriate. A couple of years ago I was dating a guy named Tay, and he told me that some friends of his that I didn’t know were getting married, but they’d invited him “and guest” so would I like to be his date? He’d take care of the gift, since I didn’t know the couple. He said I’d find them somewhat strange, but how strange could a wedding be, I thought. (DUN DUN DUNNNNN…. ominous music) I said I’d be delighted to go. Big mistake.

It wasn’t just a tacky wedding. EVERYTHING about the wedding was downright HORRIFIC. One disaster after another. I shudder to think about it even now. To start off, the wedding was held outdoors. In the dead of night. On a full moon. In front of a CEMETERY. AAAAAHHHH! There were even no decorations in the wedding area. The closest thing there was the flowers scattered throughout the cemetery. Most of the guests wore black. Some even had black hair and makeup. Even male guests. I couldn’t believe it. And one woman wore a floor-length (or ground-length, I suppose) white gown. Another guest was carrying a cat, another was carrying a SNAKE….. you get the idea.

The bride and groom had hired a string quartet, they were dressed all in BLACK LEATHER and didn’t play anything that wasn’t in a minor key. Even the “here comes the bride” music sounded like a dirge.

The wedding party, that’s where I finally admitted to myself it wasn’t going to improve. There were two male and two female groom’s attendants, and two male and two female bride’s attendants, too. There was NO clear MOH or BM. The groom’s attendants all wore purple shirts and black pants, purple lipstick and black eye makeup and white face paint, and carried one white candle. The bride’s attendants all wore white shirts and black pants, black lipstick and eye makeup and white face paint, and carried one purple candle. No flowers, pants on the female attendants, and makeup on the male attendants.

THEN came the couple. The groom wore leather pants and boots, and a white, open-necked shirt. In any other setting, that shirt may have been nice, if a bit nineteenth-century. Needless to say, it may have been the highlight of the event. Anyway, he was wearing a LEATHER COLLAR, five earrings, and an eyebrow ring, and the same makeup as his attendants, and his hair was purple to match it, his attendants, and the bride’s attendants’ candles. And the bride’s gown.

The bride… where do I begin? She was about a foot taller than the groom, she wore white face paint and black lipstick and eye makeup that swirled onto her temples and cheekbones. And combat boots. No veil, no train, no flowers, nothing. Her gown showed off her arms, back, and some of her legs above her boots. It also showed off the tattoos she had all over those parts of her body. Her (black) hair was pulled back to show off the seven rings in each ear.

I don’t know who told these people that this was acceptable at a wedding. The pastor was old, he looked about five minutes away from disintegration. The blessing was unbelievable, he said the most appallingly inappropriate things, like how in just a few short decades they would be buried here in this cemetery, side by side, six feet under, in matching coffins, rotting together for all eternity. I remember that part word for word because it was in the Addams family. I thought I was going to be sick. (Not at the imagery, but at the fact that it was being said as nuptials.)

I only stayed because I wasn’t sure I wanted to be seen leaving early by these people. Needless to say, I spent most of the ceremony reconsidering dating anybody who’d have that type as friends.

We all had to walk to the reception which was at a big old house three blocks away from the ceremony. The leather string quartet came with us to provide music there, much to my dismay.

It didn’t get better away from the cemetery. The house was dimly lit and full of cobwebs. There was no champagne, instead they had a lot of red wine to drink and toast with. I didn’t recognize a single one of the dishes in the buffet, and a lot of them were cold. There was no planned seating arrangement, they barely had tables. A lot of people had to just stand around holding their plates in one hand, with their wine glass on a nearby sideboard. Or else sit on a sofa with their plates in their lap. Tay managed to get us seats at a table, but then I had to work to avoid making eye contact with anybody.

Since there was no best man, nobody made a speech, and most of the guests who tried to dance didn’t have partners. All the gifts had been given earlier, and they were on display on a table. Not a one of them was an appropriate wedding gift. Only one person had even given money, and HE had folded a check up and put it in a puzzle box. Tay pointed out the gift with the tag that said “From Tay and [my name]”. It was a pair of hip flasks, one with a dragon on it, the other with a skull and crossbones.

So I wrote two notes, one saying they should be disgusted at what they’re doing to the tradition of marriage, and another breaking up with Tay, and then went to the bathroom and climbed out the window. Needless to say, I’ve been screening my calls ever since. Wedhell0524-03

And here is same wedding from the bride’s perspective, submitted in 2005.   I suspect Tay was the culprit in alerting the bride to his former girlfrind’s Ehell submission.

This happened at my own wedding. I’ll be the first to admit it was….unconventional! lol. My (now) husband and I were very into the Goth scene at the time. I was actually a writer for a well-known horror mag, and hubby-to-be worked as a…well, as a “gore designer”. Think slasher flicks, and you get the idea! We were, therefore, very into the scene–as were most of our mates. We chose to hold a Goth wedding–cemetery, memento mori-style imagery…the whole nine yards. It was a few years ago, and yes, I’d do things differently now…but at the time (and since!), my more-than-loving friends went at their leather togs with gusto and a good attitude.

I had to give you a rundown on my “untraditional” wedding before getting to the Main Course. A good friend of my HTB was invited with his guest. The friend (whom I’ll call “T”) was NOT a subscriber to our lifestyle, but had been more than supportive and got completely into the swing of things. T’s girlfriend, however, was another story! I didn’t hear about it at the time, as I was a nervous bride and my friends and family (God bless my mum and sister!) kept this girl from me. But I gather she spent the whole ceremony bitching at those who looked “normal” (her quote) about the setting, lack of decor (we were in a cemetery! Would bows and flowers on the gravestones be more appropriate???), makeup on boys (my mate and I have oodles of friends who are gay, straight, and everything in between. If they came in glitter and neon, if they were happy, I’D BE HAPPY. Who was this woman to belittle us?) , and (gasp) my freakin’ footwear! (I had a long dress, and chose to wear comfy shoes as opposed to new ones…)

So this stranger is accepting our hospitality whilst yipping to a LOT of our close friends about how “nasty” and “uncouth” we were. Even her Boyfriend was embarrassed by her behavior. She went off about our choice of a cold buffet (although we had a seafood bar ), and refused to sit with any of our friends– “T” actually went and set up a table for her, and her alone so she wouldn’t be “contaminated”!

The one interaction I had with her involved her commenting, “Wow, I’m amazed (hubby) knew where to put the actual WEDDING ring.” I am quite pierced, and, in fact, have several tattoos. But what the heck? Do my browrings somehow nullify the wedding ring?

As a final indignity, this girl left a note IN MY BOUQUET, written on tissue, accusing me of making a mockery of marriage, and telling ME, the bride, to tell “T” that she didn’t want to see him anymore!

…all I can say is that hubby and I are still deliriously happy, and T is now married–to one of my best friends! While we might not do things the way we did, neither Jay nor I regret our wedding. And all this girl did was prove to me that I have the best, most unjudgemental, most loving friends and family ever. They’ll know me to read this, as they ALL remember her–and I love you guys!     Guests1102-05

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Miss Alex February 1, 2012 at 10:25 pm

This made my day. Also, maybe Tay was under the impression that LW1 had a higher tolerance for eccentricity, and didn’t think he needed to give her a more strongly worded “warning.”

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Kariachi February 1, 2012 at 11:20 pm

Ya know, I can’t help but think, if she found out this wedding was a midnight and was all ‘hur-de-dur’ about it until the actual event (which I have to assume she was because really, how do you not learn things like ‘the wedding is at midnight’?), it may very well be that he DID tell her other details and she just didn’t pay attention. Or maybe he’s just so used to it that he doesn’t see it as as outlandish as most do (also wouldn’t surprise me, I’ve seen both sort of things happen).

Either way, she’s in no way excused to having acted the way she did. Shameful. Hedge, MY ancestors are probably rolling in their graves, nontheless hers.

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Merry Mrs February 2, 2012 at 6:14 am

To everyone pointing out Tay could have eliminated this , well I think Tay was honest and LW1 went with the intention of sneering at the “Goth couple”. Why… because the one thing she didn’t include as a faux pas was she was surprised by the time or location. Even assume Tey only said strange and withheld the location she had to know that wedding was Midnight or near midnight. How do she not notice they were not at the wedding by 11 pm . A midnight wedding and the word strange combine are not subtle clues that it would be very non-traditional wedding. The wedding happened a few years before 2003(so 1995-2000) not in 1970 , to claim ignorance that punk , alternative , wicken or Goth existed at that time would be a lie. LW1 does not state she was surprised that it was a Goth wedding just that she really didn’t like it . I think she knew approximately what to expect, I think she knew it was in a cemetery and at midnight and the is was going to be a Goth wedding. A lot of the details I think were added for eye roll factor not because LW1 believed they were faux pas, serving only wine a string quartet aren’t rude or strange even in the most traditional wedding. Dressing in Goth and drink nothing but red wine especially from a chalice (I’m assuming the chalice) does paint a dramatic picture though. A tall bride without a veil and with tattoos (excluding some regions, the tattoo part not being tall ) would be seen as taboo or rude.

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Marna February 2, 2012 at 7:16 am

Nobody wins here, IMO. The OP really showed her hind end by not sucking it up and behaving politely–regardless of her opinion, she was indeed a guest and should have behaved as such. The boyfriend should have done more to prepare her for just HOW “out of the ordinary” this ceremony would have been–for him not to do so simply BEGS for trouble. And, finally, the wedding couple. MOST cemeteries have dusk-to-dawn hours and unless they had special permission, most likely they were trespassing. I’m pretty such a good number of people would not like to have their loved ones’ resting places used as a “set” for this kind of production number–I sure wouldn’t.

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Wink-n-Smile February 2, 2012 at 11:54 am

No one who plans an event as elaborate at that wedding would risk being kicked out of the venue because they didn’t procure permission to be there at that time. They had made the proper arrangements, you can be sure.

Yes, many people find it distasteful. However, it is not technically a faux pas. Especially depending on the venue. If it was, indeed, at one of those old churches, where the dead are buried right in the church yard, then what they were really doing was having the wedding outside a church. On the other hand, there are some cemeteries that double as parks. Yes, they exist.

The operators of the cemetary would have final say on whether or not it was acceptable, or not, to use the cemetery as a wedding site. Some people find it to be quite appropriate, a way of sharing the start of a new family with those loved ones who have passed on. If the dead can’t come to the ceremony, bring the ceremony to the dead. Circle of life, and all that. Mind you, it’s not so common, but it is an attitude some people have. Although, to be fair, if that were the bride and groom’s attitude, I tihnk they would have mentioned it in LW2.

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Sarah Jane February 2, 2012 at 10:08 am

I’d have hated the wedding, too, but good grief…I’d have kept my mouth shut about it, and I’d certainly NEVER put it in writing to give to the happy couple. If I had been that uncomfortable, I’d simply tell good ole Tay that I wasn’t feeling well, and could he call me a cab? Then he could stay all night and party with the best of ’em.

Nothing in the first OP’s letter indicates any etiquette faux pas on the part of the bride and groom. She just sounds stupid and narrow-minded in her criticisms. I feel sorry for the bride in this story.

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The Elf February 3, 2012 at 8:10 am

This is exactly the right response if you really objected to the wedding. If LW1 had foreknowledge of the degree of strangeness to the event, she should had not gone at all. If she didn’t, or made some bad assumptions (like assumed the location was for the church, not the graveyard attached to the church) and it was really getting her goat, she should have gracefully left.

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sv February 2, 2012 at 1:22 pm

What a great illustration about different tastes!!! Although clearly the wedding was unconventional, I found the first poster’s comments prudish, rude and closeminded. For example, exactly why does it matter if the bride is a foot taller than the groom? Should they refrain from getting married because of a height difference? And who cares if the bride had black hair and was showing leg? What year does the poster think it actually is, 1880? She was judgemental about all aspects of the wedding and determined to ridicule the bride and groom.

I’m not goth/wiccen or alternative in any way. No question I would have been very startled and somewhat uncomfortable at this wedding. That being said, it is a wedding, of two people who presumably love one another, and if this is how they chose to celebrate then it is not for me to judge. I would have kept my opinions to myself, grabbed a plate of cold food and a glass of red wine, and enjoyed what was undoubtedly a one of a kind experience! Who knows, I probably would have met some great people with interesting ideas that I wouldn’t run into in my day to day life 🙂

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Colleen February 2, 2012 at 3:16 pm

I didn’t need to read the second letter to know that the guest was a snob, and insanely rude.

I do find it amusing that while she is whining about obvious things (Makeup on guys! Cemetery! Leather!) she throws in other stuff that doesn’t have anything to do with…. anything! (The bride is tall! The dress showed off her arms! An old priest! Oh, but the groom’s shirt was nice.)

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Wink-n-Smile February 3, 2012 at 10:30 am

Well, at least she found something positive. The groom’s shirt was nice.

I have loved this entry for years, and even told people about it. “It’s on the archives. You have to read it.” I love that the bride wrote in about that very guest.

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Kippie February 2, 2012 at 5:55 pm

I have also been lurking for years and been through the entire archives, but I hadn’t put these two stories together! Too funny.

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Doris February 2, 2012 at 6:47 pm

I thought I’d read every story from the beginning of this site, but somehow missed these two!

The complaining guest was afraid to leave when the other guests could see her do it – implying she was afraid they’d follow her and drink her blood for revenge maybe? – but she wasn’t afraid to leave such a nasty note for the bride? In the bouquet no less! She’s a hypocrite from beginning to end of the story. Weddings are a personal and, hopefully, one-time event for the bride and groom, not for the guests. The bridal couple should do as they like. If any guests are offended, they can quietly and politely excuse themselves. To the bride and groom if possible. After reading all the complaints about attire, makeup, tattoos, hair, etc. I have to wonder what the heck her idea of “normal” is. Sorry, we can’t all be Stepford brides.

As for the officiant’s speech – weeks before the ceremony, our pastor reviewed with us what he would say. Don’t you think their officiant did the same? At any rate, why is it so romantic to think of being together eternally, but gory when you realize where both your bodies will end up? As my husband just pointed out, if they plan to be together forever, those words are entirely acceptable.

The bride in this story sounds like someone I would have as a friend. Open minded, accepting, and with a wonderful sense of fun. It may shock the complainer that I find the bride enjoyable. I’m one of those people the complainer would consider “normal.” Ears pierced just once each, no other piercings, no tattoos, usually in jeans & appropriate shirt . . . but boy would I have loved to dress up for the theme of this wedding!

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Shoebox February 2, 2012 at 8:45 pm

Oh yes… I remember reading both of these, but never made the connexion. Wonder how many more of these ‘matched sets’ are lurking in the archives?

The wedding sounds (from my personal POV) horrific but hilariously so — you have to admire the full-on dedication to their theme if nothing else. (The groom’s hair matching the candles I thought was a particularly nice touch.)

The guest manages to come off as nastily immature and self-righteously stodgy all at once; nice trick that. I can only hope for her sake that nobody since has ever exposed her to the Twilight franchise. “I only stayed because I wasn’t sure I wanted to be seen leaving early by these people”?! What, was she afraid they’d recognise her as a virgin and sacrifice her by the light of the next full moon?

At any rate, she missed what sounds like a terrific opportunity to pick up some valuable life experience, and I can’t help but feel a bit sorry for her… until I get to the part about slipping the note *into the bride’s bouquet*, that is. For that, she gets cast into a nice deep circle of etiquette Hell.

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Kendra February 3, 2012 at 2:09 pm

I agree with you that the guest sounds “nastily immature and self-righteously stodgy all at once” as only a teenager can be. That got me thinking, what if she is a teenager, about 16 maybe? When I read the story, I assumed that she must be an adult, but now that I think about it, the total drama of the post….the picking at literally everything, the nasty notes in the bouquet, the crawling out the bathroom window…this sounds exactly what a drama queen teenager would do. Some of the most closed minded people I have ever met have usually been in their mid teens to their early 20s before life has knocked some sense into them. So, I agree with you that “she gets cast into a nice deep circle of etiquette hell”, that if she is only 16 or so, we should allow her to crawl out once she has attained some maturity and grace and is properly ashamed of her behavior at this wedding.

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June February 3, 2012 at 8:31 am

This. Is. AMAZING.
I agree with the other comments about the time and location of the ceremony. If you’re going to a ceremony at midnight, chances are it will be somewhat non-traditional. Showing tattoos! And piercings! With no clear Best Man or Maid of Honor!

I’m trying to figure out why she broke up with her BF after the wedding…she didn’t want to associate with someone who knew These People?

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GroceryGirl February 3, 2012 at 4:02 pm

Hey Admin! This is an awesome idea: breaking out the archives. I’ve seen some real outrageous ones and always wished there was a comment section for them, it’s nice to be able to get other peoples perspective.

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Wink-n-Smile February 8, 2012 at 3:56 pm

Yeah! We have Feel-Good Friday. Could we have an Archives day, too? Maybe double-up, if it’s not too much work. Feel-Good/Archives Friday.

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Marijelly February 4, 2012 at 6:35 pm

It makes me so happy to read about this wedding (even through the first posters obviously narrowminded eyes) – I love when people commit to what they love even if, or especially, when it’s unconventional. What a boring and unpersonal world it would be to live in if everyone had the first poster’s attitude. Is anything ever really perfect enough (perfect = normal) for her? I actually find it very weird that she wasnt at all curious to why someone would choose this theme that is so, so far from her.
How can she survive daily in a world where she must meet people who doesn’t understand how things has to be done, otherwise…ehm otherwise what? Where does she think traditions and culture come from in the first place, if not from original ideas and creativity? Can she watch tv or go outside? There could be punks, or men with makeup, or goths (help! BLACK LEATHER!), or maybe…oh no..women taller than men!

I read an article about a book a nurse wrote, stating that the most common thing people regret on their death bed is not following their dreams and instead had done what others expected.
I would have absolutely loved this wedding and been so grateful about the fact the couple made this effort to give the guests (and themselves) a fun and special experience. The bride sounds like a wonderful person.

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KitKat February 5, 2012 at 2:22 pm

I think I would like that wedding. But as my brother told his fiancee “Who are you trying to impress?” The bridal couple enjoyed themselves and that’s what really matters.

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Busy Bee February 6, 2012 at 3:07 pm

So, on top of everything else, OP thinks dancing without a partner is a faux pas? Hang on, I have to go call some of my friends and yell at them for making my wedding tacky by dancing by themselves! The nerve!

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Wink-n-Smile February 8, 2012 at 3:55 pm

Shhhhh! Don’t tell anyone, but they were actually dancing with *ghosts*. They just *looked* like they were dancing by themselves.

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mariam67 February 6, 2012 at 4:41 pm

That wedding sounds like tons of fun! Although I will say it’s rude to not have enough seating for everyone if that was true. Also, it may be inappropriate to have a wedding in a cemetery, on top of graves. Otherwise, I see nothing wrong with an unusual wedding like this. I think the girlfriend acted atrociously. If she was offended, she should have made an excuse and quietly left, not bitch to everyone and leave a rude note to the bride. Also, what’s wrong with a check inside a puzzle box? And how did she know there was a check in there anyway?

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Wink-n-Smile February 8, 2012 at 3:55 pm

Maybe she opened the puzzle box, to see? Just doing the poor bride and groom a favor, you see, because obviously, they’d be too dumb to figure the puzzle out, and she was brilliant enough to know.

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acr February 8, 2012 at 1:14 pm

“”Tay didn’t pay her the respect of telling her anything. He set her up. When she was having trouble, she went to the bride, and the bride didn’t take her by the hand to explain anything or make her feel comfortable. The bride must have been busy, but she couldn’t go to any of those wonderful loving friends, make an introduction, and say “hey, she’s feeling uncomfortable; help her out.”?

I’m starting to wonder if Tay didn’t want to break up with his girlfriend and found the perfect way to make it look like it was her fault.””

I think you may have a point about Tay setting the girl up. If he’d known/dated her for ANY length of time, he should have had a vague idea that she wouldn’t like this wedding. I think it’s very possible he brought her as “entertainment.”

However, I think it’s absurd that the bride should have “helped” this girl. She’s the bride – she’s busy! She isn’t responsible for holding the hand of some girl she just met! The only one who should have helped this girl was Tay.

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Ann February 8, 2012 at 3:02 pm

All I can say is, I know which woman I’d rather know. Definitely, the bride! She sounds lovely.

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Rachel February 8, 2012 at 4:45 pm

I agree that the original poster was very nasty and was judgmental about things that really shouldn’t be judged (I’m not fan of tats or piercings, but I’m not going to be angry with the B&G for sporting the).

I do think that the B&G really should have toned things down a bit. When this story was originally posted, Webmistress pointed out that it’s rather tasteless to equate weddings with death. She also pointed out that over the top theme weddings are also not a good idea (saying it’s just as bad to dress like the cast of the Wizard of Oz or having a Star Trek themed wedding). IIRC, Jeanne even offered some sites to visit for tasteful Goth wedding tips.

I know a marrying couple doesn’t “owe” anything to their guests, but if you’re going to have a broad range of people there, you should try to make everyone as comfortable as possible. I assume there were no elderly people or children at that midnight wedding. I hope there were no religious people (or I should say practitioners of more mainstream religions) in attendance. I have to say that most of the guests except for this one horrid woman were great sports and the B&G were lucky to have such great friends who were willing to go along with this and not feel creeped out. I can imagine what my own family would have felt like at a wedding like this and they’re a pretty open-minded bunch! The B&G were very lucky that they only offended one person!

Also, I hope the food was cocktail buffet and not a full dinner. If they were serving food that needed to be eaten with a knife and fork, I think they needed to have tables. Again, what they served doesn’t matter, but it does matter if the guests have a hard time eating it.

As for the complaints, the nasty note, and the sneaking out, well, those things are beyond rude and you’ll get no argument from me about that!

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Lucky February 15, 2012 at 9:07 am

My assumption has always been that “comfort” meant not making them stand outside in the heat/rain/blazing sun/40 mph winds, not making sure everyone was as culturally and spiritually un-offended as possible. Because that’s not possible. Way too many versions of it in the world to accommodate everyone, especially without requiring the marrying couple to completely give up their identities.

For example, I grew up in a religious tradition that does not have ordained clergy: Brides and grooms marry each other. The idea of having a clergyman lead a couple through vows is both very weird and very uncomfortable for me–do the bride and groom really not know how they feel about this? Why do they need a third party to butt in and feed them their lines? However, it’s one of the most basic parts of the wedding for most people (I’ve actually been told that you can’t be “really” married without it).

I hope religious types do attend more eccentric weddings, so they get used to the idea that it’s the feeling and the commitment that count, not the trappings.

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TM June 19, 2012 at 11:28 pm

“I hope there were no religious people (or I should say practitioners of more mainstream religions) in attendance.”

You know, it’s all a matter of perspective. I sat through a coworker’s “mainstream” religious ceremony that included loads of sexist language about women obeying men, how awful gay marriage is, and that we all needed to be “saved,” something my gay/gay ally, atheist, Jewish and Muslim coworkers and I weren’t too excited about. I would have found the goth theme pretty silly, but I’d have kept that to myself and enjoyed what sounds like a lovely group of people who were open to those willing to join in. Much better than my coworker’s reception where I was bugged to visit the church for a service and got a look of absolute horror when I said I was raised Catholic (the woman actually jumped in her seat as if I said I’d bludgeoned kittens).

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Ki August 19, 2016 at 7:27 am

I’m ridiculously late (going through the archives) but… in Cambridge, UK – old historic city, ancient university, average population age through the roof because of all the older professors, the second biggest church runs a Goth eucharist, or certainly did when I was a student. The C of E at least has really modernised and from what I was told as a teen, “The important thing is that you come, not what you look like when you’re there.”

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grumpy_otter February 14, 2012 at 5:03 pm

Just a slight correction, dear admin–the E Hell archives do NOT contain “Hours and hours of entertaining reading!” They contain WEEKS AND WEEKS of entertaining reading–and maybe even months.

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momofeveryone August 22, 2013 at 10:08 am

yes they do!!!! my sister is just starting to plan her wedding and this has helped us tons!

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momofeveryone August 22, 2013 at 10:08 am

i would have LOVED this! if its what your into and your paying for it, have at it!

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NostalgicGal August 25, 2013 at 2:45 pm

I’ve been to, helped organize, and officiated at many non-mainstream weddings and other events. Not everything is for everyone. I do have a few limits but I will be polite about why I don’t want any part of (whatever) thank you anyways.

I’m ordained, I’ve handled just about everything other than ‘if the pentagram points down’… I’m agreeing with that the first poster (guest) needed to suck it up and roll with it and move on. Tay maybe should have leveled a bit more about what the entire theme was, as I don’t think the first poster was quite prepared….

Amen on opening the archives again through this new header, Ms Jeanne!

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